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    Default What's wrong with "Across The Board" Tax Cuts like the GOP always pushes?

    Bush's tax cuts were for everyone, right?....What's the problem??
    An analogy is probably easiest to explain this GOP scam:

    How about if Obama pledges to do this.... to increase voter enrollment in this country:
    All who register as Republicans will get 1 penny for registering to vote
    All who register as Dems will get $1,000.00 for registering.

    That's fair, right?....Aren't we all getting an incentive to register?


    Rich Americans saved THOUSANDS in tax savings from the GOP with the (unpaid for) Bush tax cut scam...while the middle class got just enough to pay for a tank of $5.00 gasoline.
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    Completely false premise, and poorly thought out as well. You are talking about purchasing a vote, not allowing someone to keep more of their own money.

    Unpaid for? When you educate yourself about who's money you are talking about, lets then have a discussion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Bush's tax cuts were for everyone, right?....What's the problem??
    An analogy is probably easiest to explain this GOP scam:

    How about if Obama pledges to do this.... to increase voter enrollment in this country:
    All who register as Republicans will get 1 penny for registering to vote
    All who register as Dems will get $1,000.00 for registering.

    That's fair, right?....Aren't we all getting an incentive to register?


    Rich Americans saved THOUSANDS in tax savings from the GOP with the (unpaid for) Bush tax cut scam...while the middle class got just enough to pay for a tank of $5.00 gasoline.
    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." James Madison

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogyMan View Post
    Completely false premise, and poorly thought out as well. You are talking about purchasing a vote, not allowing someone to keep more of their own money.

    Unpaid for? When you educate yourself about who's money you are talking about, lets then have a discussion.
    My obvious comparison was the idea of the "Across the board" concept being automatically fair as the GOP "Pushes".
    Bush tax cuts & my "voter registration reward" analogy were just ways of pointing to the lie that the GOP sells.
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    a) The income tax is not flat; it is unfortunately "progressive," increasing in % steadily as the number being taxed gets bigger.

    b) Many people, myself included, think this is unreasonable. Based upon what a percentage is, a bigger number already means paying more, by virtue of it being a bigger number. That is what a percentage is, and how it works when applied to any given number.

    c) Efforts to flatten taxation - such that everyone pays the same percentage of whatever is being taxed - will invariably result in those currently paying a disproportionately higher percentage to now be paying less than they were, assuming you are still taxing that same thing in that same general manner. However, again, by virtue of percentage, all people taxed under a flat tax pay "their fair share."

    d) A NSRT would be entirely flat, and is also preferable in many other ways to the current bloated complicated monstrosity we have in this country in the form of income taxation and the IRS. The rich tend to buy more expensive luxuries anyway, and this tax is of course opt-in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    a) The tax is not flat; it is unfortunately "progressive," increasing in % steadily as the number being taxed gets bigger.
    That's the whole point of the (unpaid for..Forced down our throats via Reconciliation) Bush Tax cut SCAM.......Bush, Cheney, Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch all get hundreds of thousands while us middle class peons got crumbs.
    Maybe you'd like to answer the question the BM is avoiding: Why did the rich get vastly richer under Bush & the GOP ...while the middle class & the poor get vastly poorer?
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    Read the rest of the post. It's called a flat tax, and it's something many people advocate, including myself.

    If you do or have more of whatever is being taxed, and you are being taxed by the same percentage as everyone else, you are already paying more tax. That is already "paying your fair share."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Read the rest of the post. It's called a flat tax, and it's something many people advocate, including myself.

    If you do or have more of whatever is being taxed, and you are being taxed by the same percentage as everyone else, you are already paying more tax. That is already "paying your fair share."
    Off topic deflection
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    Hmm, I am middle class and I did nothing but prosper during those years. Talking points are just that, talking points. It would be nice if yours were based in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    That's the whole point of the (unpaid for..Forced down our throats via Reconciliation) Bush Tax cut SCAM.......Bush, Cheney, Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch all get hundreds of thousands while us middle class peons got crumbs.
    Maybe you'd like to answer the question the BM is avoiding: Why did the rich get vastly richer under Bush & the GOP ...while the middle class & the poor get vastly poorer?
    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." James Madison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Off topic deflection
    Excuse me? I'm advocating "across the board" tax cuts, with a stated rationale, and specifically speaking to your question.

    On-point - but in direct opposition to your perspective - is not off-topic... just inconvenient for you since you just want to crankily rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    a) The income tax is not flat; it is unfortunately "progressive," increasing in % steadily as the number being taxed gets bigger.

    b) Many people, myself included, think this is unreasonable. Based upon what a percentage is, a bigger number already means paying more, by virtue of it being a bigger number. That is what a percentage is, and how it works when applied to any given number.

    c) Efforts to flatten taxation - such that everyone pays the same percentage of whatever is being taxed - will invariably result in those currently paying a disproportionately higher percentage to now be paying less than they were, assuming you are still taxing that same thing in that same general manner. However, again, by virtue of percentage, all people taxed under a flat tax pay "their fair share."

    d) A NSRT would be entirely flat, and is also preferable in many other ways to the current bloated complicated monstrosity we have in this country in the form of income taxation and the IRS. The rich tend to buy more expensive luxuries anyway, and this tax is of course opt-in.
    There are many reasons why economists and policy-makers worldwide do not even consider your proposals. Politically and economically speaking, a flat tax is nothing more than ideological nonsense. It might sound good to those who don't understand production, but it'd adversely affect the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by BoogyMan View Post
    Completely false premise, and poorly thought out as well. You are talking about purchasing a vote, not allowing someone to keep more of their own money.

    Unpaid for? When you educate yourself about who's money you are talking about, lets then have a discussion.
    Whose money? That's merely opinion. You can't keep posting opinions as if they were fact; I can't come across a post where you don't. At least have some kind of educational or reasonable backing to your claim; I could easily argue that between government infrastructure and market imperfections— taxes are merely a government's way of getting a return on its investment and correcting market tendencies.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Read the rest of the post. It's called a flat tax, and it's something many people advocate, including myself.

    If you do or have more of whatever is being taxed, and you are being taxed by the same percentage as everyone else, you are already paying more tax. That is already "paying your fair share."
    Many people... and no prominent economists of any school or country... for a reason.

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